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for years. >> even though democrats won the presidential election? doesn't that change the calculus? >> he would say these people are all safe seats if they don't get against the pledge. norquist has the division so to speak. he could destroy any republican who says the word tax increase. has he said -- he said if they're seduced by democrats in pure thoughts this is the so-called i can smell pornography when i see it. this is pornography for grover norquist. he can smell it when he sees it. he will target. he will destroy republicans who go against the pledge. he's much more powerful than any individual republican. and individual ceo. let's just face it. i've always felt he was the most powerful person in the class of '76 at harvard. enjoyed his success because he was a fellow member of the harvard crimson. i just disagree with him. terrific guy. >> with friends like that -- >> with all due respect to my ex-partner larry kudlow with all due respect. >> the treasury secretary talks about how he does not think that in the end the gop is going to prevent tax rates on the wealthiest from risi
answer, but in a minute. let me get to the big concern. the entire conversation since the election has been litigating gone squaquarter of the preside own architecture. all we're talking about is revenue, revenues, revenues. the white house has been absolutely silent on 75% of their own described remedy and that is where are the cuts. now, secretary geithner comes to capitol hill and with a straight face says we need to spend more money. we need more stimulus spending. look, i come from the state of illinois which is an example of what not to do. the state had the same underlying problems, that is runaway spending problems, and they came up with the wrong solution. raise taxes, don't deal with the underlying problem, chase an entrepreneurial class out. $7 billion in unpaid bills and higher average unemployment rate. it is a system for failure. so what's happening with my neighbors in illinois, and these are the people that are minkd their own business, not paying attention to all this stuff, all of a sudden they're looking up and saying why is it more expensive for my child to go to th
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